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	<title>Comments on: Five Questions for Institutions/Organizations</title>
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		<title>By: Anne M. Makin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne M. Makin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared, thank you so much for taking notes!  You are GREAT!</description>
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		<title>By: Nils Peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nils Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting your notes

How can we tell if we are doing a good job? job placement, job success, student evals, alumni contributions. Those measures are indirect and a lot of other things may be boiled into them. They also are not very useful to tell us how to change if we don&#039;t like the results.

Need a direct measurement:
First, what is the actual thing we want students to know/do that would demonstrate our desired learning outcome? For example, Develop a piece of software; market a new restaurant, etc, that is, solve a real problem.

Then, directly assess how well the students did it. And let the community assess how well they did it too. And while we are at it, ask the community if the criteria we are using are the right criteria. http://wsuctlt.wordpress.com/harvesting_gradebook/</description>
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<p>How can we tell if we are doing a good job? job placement, job success, student evals, alumni contributions. Those measures are indirect and a lot of other things may be boiled into them. They also are not very useful to tell us how to change if we don&#8217;t like the results.</p>
<p>Need a direct measurement:<br />
First, what is the actual thing we want students to know/do that would demonstrate our desired learning outcome? For example, Develop a piece of software; market a new restaurant, etc, that is, solve a real problem.</p>
<p>Then, directly assess how well the students did it. And let the community assess how well they did it too. And while we are at it, ask the community if the criteria we are using are the right criteria. <a href="http://wsuctlt.wordpress.com/harvesting_gradebook/" rel="nofollow">http://wsuctlt.wordpress.com/harvesting_gradebook/</a></p>
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